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- [S15] Ancestry.com and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 1880 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005. 1880 U.S. Census Index provided by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Sai, Census Place: Brookhaven, Suffolk, New York; Roll: 934; Family History Film: 1254934; Page: 118B; Enumeration District: 315; Image: 0792.
- [S36] Richard Thomas, "," e-mail message from [e-mail for private use] ([street address for private use], Brookhaven, NY 11719), to , ., William "Willie" Carl; Email; 15 October 2014; John Deitz.
Hi John,
William E. Carll has some of the same difficulties as theEdward Rowland case, but there are important differences.
In the case of Edward Rowland/Roland/Rollin/Ruland, therewas only two positives: 1) at least one person of that name who lived in NewYork, and probably two, enlisted in New York regiments and 2) Munsell (andPeter Ross’s later history) said a person of that name who was killed duringthe Civil War had been a resident of “Southaven.”
The negative was that no record could be found of anyonenamed Edward Rowland, or its variants, living in the vicinity of Fire Place andSouth Haven. Also, although Munsell lists him in 1882, the Town Clerkdidn’t list him in 1866 (though he did list a Manley S. Rowland).
The Carll situation is similar but different in significantways. [“Carll” is equally difficult to search: Carl, Carll, Carle, Carol,Caul, Caryl, Carrol, Carell, Karl, etc.]
1. Willie Carll does appear in theUS Census of 1850 and in the Census of 1860, when he was still living with hisfamily in Bellport. In fact, in 1860, he is listed twice, once inhis family, with his age appearing as 13, and again, age 14, as living withothers (in a Sweezey family), probably as a servant or laborer.
2. In the 1880 Census, WilliamCarll’s father, Charles, and Willie’s brothers, Jacob, and Sam, are living in adwelling on or near the Ireland farm in Brookhaven hamlet. Charles hasremarried, so it appears to be a blended family. The George listed is notthe right age to be William’s brother. (The family is listed immediatelyafter Mary Floyd Ireland, age 81, and her family, Nicoll Ireland, age 53, andnephew William Floyd, age22. There seems to have been a fairly largeblack community living in the area between the John Rose estate and GeorgeBurnett’s farm. William’s brother George, age 28, is living with theblack David Smith family, which is one of three Smith households. There arealso a black Duryea family, a black Rader family, and three Ward families (andanother Smith family and a Thompson family lived with one of the Wardfamilies). It was almost a plantation.
In 1870 though, the family wasmostly in Bellport, but we do know that sometime between 1870 and 1880, thefamily moved to Fire Place / Brookhaven.
3. William E. Carll did, on 15 Oct1864, enlist in the Navy as an ordinary seaman for a term of two years. He hadalready had previous naval service of 1 year.
4. Munsell, 1882, says WilliamCarll (colored) resided in Brookhaven (but he may have been basing that on thefact that his father and brothers lived there).
As negatives, we have:
1. No specific record of WilliamCarll himself ever being a resident of Fire Place (other than Munsell), eventhough his father and his brothers of about the same age were Fire Placeresidents in 1880.
2. The 1870 Census shows the Carllfamily still living in Bellport. [They are listed as “Caul” and are twohouses before Henry W. Titus, age 70. But by this time, the older boyswere not living at home. George Carll (“Carel”) was residing with afamily in Bellport while Samuel Carll, age 14, was living with the Willet Greenfamily in Sayville. I don’t know where William was. George andSamuel do return to the family in 1880, but not William.]
3. In 1866, the Town Clerk,Benjamin Hutchinson, does list a “George Carle” who was a substitute whoenlisted in October 1864, but no William Carll. However, thatdoesn’t matter much, as we have the record of William Carll’s enlistment.
In 1900, William’s brother, Frederic, was living in Masticnear the Floyd estate (Frederic and his wife Abigail are listed as living withhis mother-in-law, Martha Main, who lives near William Dana --- I think Danamarried Kitty Floyd, daughter of John Gelston Floyd, but I didn’t check this).
Another brother, Samuel Carll, b. Dec 1856, has married andlives at 344 S. 4th Street in Brooklyn in 1900. He is workingas a “washman.” Jacob, b. Dec 1854, is a coachman and lives with hisbrother.
So all we can say is that William E. Carll joined the Navy,his family lived in Bellport in 1860, and, and at age 14, he was living invarious families where he could find work. Also, we know the family livedin Brookhaven/Fire Place beginning sometime after 1870.
We have only Munsell to tell us that Willie happened to beworking for a family in Fire Place in 1863-1864 when he enlisted in the Navy,but we have nothing that can show that he wasn’t.
The Town Clerk doesn’t help us, as he doesn’t list WilliamCarll at all (which is surprising). He does list a George Carle, butdoesn’t mark that person as “colored” and doesn’t know where he lived in theTown.
However, I can’t think of any reason why the claim thatWilliam Carll was living in Fire Place when he enlisted isn’t likely to betrue.
He was, after all, working for families in the area.
Richard
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